Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:21:49 +0200
From: "christian.kyloemusic.com"
Subject: SAS-VCF
Hej!
Skulle man inte kunna göra en lösning a la studio electronics act-1, med varje
filtertyp i en egen cartridge som man sedan pluggar in i filter-modulen i
modularen?
Christian
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Message Number: 2
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:25:35 +0200
From: "dar303.hotmail.com"
Subject: [No Subject]
>>Reply-to: LIST-SAS.mkv.mh.se
>>Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:19:02 +0200
>>From: "kristian.borgstedt.com"
>>To: Multiple recipients of SAS
>>Subject: Re: patch-moj
>>Sitter själv och fnular på en sån här, har inte kommit lika långt som dem
>>verkar det som eftersom de har en fungerande prototyp :)
>>
>>Men... det blir DYRT!!!!
>>
>>En analog switch kostar ju en 20kr, och så behöver man en switch för varje
>>"crosspoint"... 4in 4ut= 4*4*20=320 för FYRA!!! kanaler... 8kanaler>>8*8*20=1280 16kanaler... 16*16*20=5120... etc etc, finns iofs ett billigare
>>sätt att göra det på, som inte är lika modulärt... (troligen sättet som de
>>gjort på, då det är billigare oxå)...
>>
>>Har lite andra funderingar oxå...
>>
>>Synd dock att de hann före mig... tänk om jag varit först ;)
>>Man kan oxå resonera att TUR att NÅGON får tummen ur :-D
Jag tror knappast att de använder vanliga switchar, det finns ju något som
heter "crosspoint switch matrix"-kretsar, kolla maxim (?), har för mig att
det finns sådana där.
Smart drag med displayen dock!
/d
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From:
>>To: "Multiple recipients of SAS"
>>Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 11:06 AM
>>Subject: patch-moj
>>
>>
>> >> fick detta på en annan nördig mailinglista! :)
>> >>
>> >> /d
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> From: "sonicsynthi"
>> >> Subject: DIGI-TRIX Microcontrolled patching matrix.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Digi-Trix.microcontrolled patching matrix
>> >>
>> >> digital patching matrix units - a small rackmount/tabletop unit
>> >> having an lcd screen with a backlit matrix similar in size (actually
>> >> clearer..) to an EMS synthi matrix .
>> >> by the simple use of up/down/left/right keys & a cursor it is easily
>> >> navigable . "pins" (Y to X connections) being visually
>> >> placed /removed with the "place pin" & "remove pin" buttons .
>> >> the unit has a prestopatch interface ideal for instant synthi
>> >> connection, plus the option of banana + 1/4" jacks . I
>> >> n this way the unit can create a matrix with any 16 outputs & 16
>> >> inputs & can equally be used to route guitar effects boxes , modular
>> >> syn , a mixture of both of infinite other possibilities for routing
>> >> AC or DC signals .
>> >> These patches once created can be stored . several stored patches
>> >> may even be "grown" on top of each other , adding other elements.
>> >> As I'm sure most of you realise . having instantly repatchable
>> >> matrices goes a long way to quick accurate changes .
>> >> the unit at present is a very quick & repeatable way to patch a
>> >> synthi plus the only way to store & recall those patches.
>> >> All well & good , but We are currently looking at implementing
>> >> midi patching & control in order to be able to sequence patch data
>> >> via midi.( patching a modular by keyboard or sequencer anyone )? If
>> >> anyone on the list has any experience with this area please contact
>> >> myself SonicSynthi or Steve Thomas via the Yahoo Putney list or
>> >> private email.
>> >> We are interested to hear of peoples orders , ideas , thoughts etc.
>> >> We plan to market a limited number of these next year , although non
>> >> midi models are already in beta testing.
>> >> We are planning to sell these for as little as possible , depending
>> >> on how many people pre-order it . Hopefully we'll be able to sell
>> >> them for around $450 /£300/Euro450 . Basically - a very reasonably
>> >> priced peripheral.
>> >> I created a matrix using Synton Fenix modules as a test & found it
>> >> transformed it into a formidable powerhouse , previously only
>> >> attributed to EMS & other (rare) matrix based problems .
>> >> Remember this lets you send aNY & ALL 16 ins to ANY & ALL 16
>> >> 0uts . Multiples become a confusing & boring thing of the past !
>> >> regards
>> >> SonicSynthi & Steve Thomas -New Atlantis Productions
>> >>
>> >>
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Message Number: 3
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:33:17 +0200
From: "kristian.borgstedt.com"
Subject: Re: SAS-VCF
Ungefär vad jag oxå funderade på...
Eftersom CV och buffrade in/utgångar verkar vara samma för alla filterna,
plus säkert en massa annat, och det bara är själva "kärnan" som skiljer de
olika filtrena åt, då skulle man ju kunna göra ett gäng "Control-moduler"
med utgångar för de olika CVstyrbara delarna som man sedan kan koppla in i
de andra icke så mångproducerade "filter-kärnorna"
Är det en tanke? Blir det billigare? Blir det "enklare"? Blir det för
omständigt?
Tankar?
/Kristian - med K
----- Original Message -----
From:
To: "Multiple recipients of SAS"
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 1:21 PM
Subject: SAS-VCF
>> Hej!
>>
>> Skulle man inte kunna göra en lösning a la studio electronics act-1, med
varje
>> filtertyp i en egen cartridge som man sedan pluggar in i filter-modulen i
>> modularen?
>>
>> Christian
>>
>>
>>
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Message Number: 4
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:36:23 +0200
From: "kristian.borgstedt.com"
Subject: Re: Switchmatrix
>> Jag tror knappast att de använder vanliga switchar, det finns ju något som
>> heter "crosspoint switch matrix"-kretsar, kolla maxim (?), har för mig att
>> det finns sådana där.
>> Smart drag med displayen dock!
>>
Har kollat lite grand på såna oxå... och ja det kan ju hända att de använder
en sån, tror dock inte att det är bra nivåer i dem? Fast de har kanske
hittat en bättre variant?
Det jag tycker är trist och det som jag (såklart) har fastnat på är
begränsnsningen med 16in/16ut som verkar vara ett magiskt nummer, jag vill
ha FLER!!! ingångar till denna variant, men som sagt så blir det himla dyrt,
men jag ska helt klart kolla upp MAXIM's Crosspoint swtichar....
Tack D, säg till nån dag du har tid att kolla igenom SAS-VCA'n, så kommer
jag över till studion eller nåt?
/K
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Message Number: 5
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:41:11 +0200
From: "mr.analogue.org"
Subject: Re: SAS-VCF
On Mon, 30 Sep 2002, christian.kyloemusic.com wrote:
>> Hej!
'AllÛ 'allÛ!
>> Skulle man inte kunna göra en lösning a la studio electronics act-1, med
>> varje filtertyp i en egen cartridge som man sedan pluggar in i
>> filter-modulen i modularen?
ATC-1... jo, det vore inte så dumt egentligen. Med de olika filtertyperna
som små kretskort utstickande från modulens framsida? ;-)
Fast det är nog inte filterkärnorna som kostar mest, så de flesta vill
nog ha flera stycken. Och då är det lättare att bygga in det på
filterkretskortet och växla med en switch vid behov.
Det kanske trots allt blir det vettigaste alternativet till slut - att ha
flera filterkärnor parallellt på varje VCF-moduls kretskort, bestycka
den/de man vill ha med komponenter, och ifall man bestyckade flera av
typerna, sätta en filtertypväljarswitch på frontpanelen.
/mr
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Message Number: 6
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:48:51 +0200
From: "d3berg.dtek.chalmers.se"
Subject: Re: Switchmatrix
On Mon Sep 30 2002, kristian.borgstedt.com
>> Det jag tycker är trist och det som jag (såklart) har fastnat på är
>> begränsnsningen med 16in/16ut som verkar vara ett magiskt nummer, jag vill
>> ha FLER!!! ingångar till denna variant, men som sagt så blir det himla dyrt,
>> men jag ska helt klart kolla upp MAXIM's Crosspoint swtichar....
Du får väl korskoppla lite 16x16-matriser? Tag fyra och bygg en fin
32x32-matris? Eller 16x64... :)
/Janne, binär
--
Janne G:son Berg, d3berg.dtek.chalmers.se http://www.dtek.chalmers.se/~d3berg
.
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Message Number: 7
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:54:54 +0200
From: "kristian.borgstedt.com"
Subject: Re: Switchmatrix
>> >> Det jag tycker är trist och det som jag (såklart) har fastnat på är
>> >> begränsnsningen med 16in/16ut som verkar vara ett magiskt nummer, jag
vill
>> >> ha FLER!!! ingångar till denna variant, men som sagt så blir det himla
dyrt,
>> >> men jag ska helt klart kolla upp MAXIM's Crosspoint swtichar....
>>
>> Du får väl korskoppla lite 16x16-matriser? Tag fyra och bygg en fin
>> 32x32-matris? Eller 16x64... :)
>>
Självklart kan man göra så... och på pappret har jag även gjort det, men sen
ska det ju vara styrbart oxå (via midi/Com-port/USB) och då blir det direkt
lite krångligare igen, när man korskopplat hejvilt... (tycker jag... men jag
kan ju ingenting EGENTLIGEN :)
Ska försöka ta tag i detta igen... har haft en idÈ svacka, då jag flyttat
och rensat hemma så jag numera kan BO och ha folk hemma :) Nu ska bara lite
fler synthar hem... så man mår RIKTIGT bra :)
/K
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Message Number: 8
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:00:28 +0200
From: "christian.kyloemusic.com"
Subject: SV: Re: SAS-VCF
>> On Mon, 30 Sep 2002, christian.kyloemusic.com wrote:
>>
>> >> Hej!
>>
>> 'AllÛ 'allÛ!
>>
>> >> Skulle man inte kunna göra en lösning a la studio electronics act-1, med
>> >> varje filtertyp i en egen cartridge som man sedan pluggar in i
>> >> filter-modulen i modularen?
>>
>> ATC-1... jo, det vore inte så dumt egentligen. Med de olika filtertyperna
>> som små kretskort utstickande från modulens framsida? ;-)
präxis! :)
>> Fast det är nog inte filterkärnorna som kostar mest, så de flesta vill
>> nog ha flera stycken. Och då är det lättare att bygga in det på
>> filterkretskortet och växla med en switch vid behov.
Mjo, men det e inte lika tufft ;)
>> Det kanske trots allt blir det vettigaste alternativet till slut - att ha
>> flera filterkärnor parallellt på varje VCF-moduls kretskort, bestycka
>> den/de man vill ha med komponenter, och ifall man bestyckade flera av
>> typerna, sätta en filtertypväljarswitch på frontpanelen.
Det är nog det lämpligaste. Men hur kommer själva kretskortet att utformas?
Kommer det att göras på ett sådant sätt att de som vill kan såga isär kortet och
sedan bygga varje filterkärna i separata moduler?
/christian
>> /mr
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Message Number: 9
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:42:35 +0200
From: "mans.common.se"
Subject: Re: SAS-VCF
>> Hej!
>> Skulle man inte kunna göra en lösning a la studio electronics act-1,
>> med varje
>> filtertyp i en egen cartridge som man sedan pluggar in i filter-modulen
>> i
>> modularen?
>> Christian
Någonting säger mig att det är en dum idÈ då jag får för mig att det är
stor risk att det blir glapp....
Det är bättre att ha två olika moduler då eller ännu fler. Men det är en
smart idÈ att ha flera olika fildermoduler på samma kretskort
(kretskortet blir lite dyrare men man kan ju bygga bara den ena eller så
kan man såga itu det hela med. Det är kanonbra!)
//Måns
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Message Number: 10
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:37:55 +0200
From: "mr.analogue.org"
Subject: Re: SV: Re: SAS-VCF
On Mon, 30 Sep 2002, christian.kyloemusic.com wrote:
>>> Det kanske trots allt blir det vettigaste alternativet till slut - att ha
>>> flera filterkärnor parallellt på varje VCF-moduls kretskort, bestycka
>>> den/de man vill ha med komponenter, och ifall man bestyckade flera av
>>> typerna, sätta en filtertypväljarswitch på frontpanelen.
>>
>> Det är nog det lämpligaste. Men hur kommer själva kretskortet att utformas?
Triangulärt. ;-)
>> Kommer det att göras på ett sådant sätt att de som vill kan såga isär
>> kortet och sedan bygga varje filterkärna i separata moduler?
Nej, det tycker iaf inte jag. Det är knappt nån idÈ. Själva
pudelkärnorna är inte så värst stora. Iofs _skulle_ man kunna göra det,
men... jag vet inte.
Jag tänkte på en sak till:
Man kanske lika gärna skulle låta de parallella filtertyperna köra
samtidigt? I så fall kan man få ständigt tillgängliga utsignaler från
både Moog- EMS- och TB-303-filtret. Med flera olika responser dessutom.
Enda nackdelen är att man måste ha separat (och därmed spänningsstyrd)
resonanstjofräs för de olika typerna. Men spänningsstyrd resonans har vi
antagligen redan på önskelistan, och resonanskonstruktionen kommer ändå
troligen att behöva se lite olika ut i de olika typerna, så det är
kanske knappt nån nackdel när allt kommer omkring.
Börjar det bli för mycket nu? :)
/mr
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Message Number: 11
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:09:20 +0200
From: "erik.forsling.brevet.nu"
Subject: Modularfilosofi=?US-ASCII?Q?_=E0?= la rsf
>>var iväg till studion och hämtade några saker ,
>>passade på att ta en bild på expII¥s
>>frontpanel :
>>
>>http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/farbrorsynt/images/expIIb.jpg
RSF's expander II är ju en riktigt söt liten sak. Full av intelligenta
brytjacksfunktioner. Föredömligt! Och dess Voltage Processor längst upp till
vänster var ju en funktionsspäckad liten sak: invertering, offset,
logaritmering, lag, mixer osv. Sånt vill man ha... är första tanken. Å andra
sidan blir väl många funktioner över, oanvända alltså. Är det då bättre att
dela upp såna här saker i flera separata steg? Ack, detta ständiga dilemma!
Funktionsspäckning är ju kittlande för kreativiteten, och sparar nog några
jack och så, men...
En annan fundering: Varför har man gain på insignalerna till en
ringmodulator? Är inte det samma sak som att ha EN gain på utgången?
Eller...?
/e
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Message Number: 12
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:07:16 +0200
From: "cfmd.swipnet.se"
Subject: Re: Presentation
From: "kalle.kfib.org"
Subject: Re: Presentation
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 10:47:45 +0200
>> Hur funkar gränsdragningen mellan olika SAS-delar förresten? Jag bor ju
>> i Linköping, liksom några till SAS:are (även Moxie tidigare även om han
>> gått och blivit utlänning i skåne :), och borde väl då höra till
>> SAS-Stockholm. Men jag är ju göteborgare i själ och hjärta - är jag då
>> SAS-Göteborg:are egentligen?
Stor-Stockholms SAS sträcker sig ned till Småland i alla fall och Upsala i
norr, undrans om vi inte haft någon Gävling med också. En temporärt nedflyttad
Ume-bo har också ingått i truppen. Så SAS-definitionen av Stor-Stockholm är
_något_ vidare än gängse definition.
>> *förvirrad nykomling*
Blev det bättre nu?
MVH
Magnus
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Message Number: 13
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:51:48 +0200
From: "kalle.kfib.org"
Subject: Re: Presentation
Magnus Danielson wrote:
>>
>> Så SAS-definitionen av Stor-Stockholm är
>> _något_ vidare än gängse definition.
>>
Misstänkte nåt sånt. :)
>> Blev det bättre nu?
>>
Ja. Tack.
/Kalle
--
Karl-Fredrik Blixt Hagholm
Computer Science Engineer
Homepage: http://www-und.ida.liu.se/~karbl058
Telephone: +46-(0)13-17 99 29
Cellular: +46-(0)739-87 11 03
UIN: 4744258
"Consider the situation. There you are, forehead like a set of
balconies, worrying about the long-term effects of all this new 'fire'
stuff on the environment, you're being chased and eaten by most of the
planet's large animals, and suddenly tiny versions of one of the worst
of them wanders into the cave and starts to purr."
-- Why humans like cats (Terry Pratchett, The Unadulterated Cat)
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Message Number: 14
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:17:05 +0200
From: "cfmd.swipnet.se"
Subject: Re: SV: Re: SAS-VCF
From: "mr.analogue.org"
Subject: Re: SV: Re: SAS-VCF
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:37:55 +0200
>> On Mon, 30 Sep 2002, christian.kyloemusic.com wrote:
>>
>> >>> Det kanske trots allt blir det vettigaste alternativet till slut - att ha
>> >>> flera filterkärnor parallellt på varje VCF-moduls kretskort, bestycka
>> >>> den/de man vill ha med komponenter, och ifall man bestyckade flera av
>> >>> typerna, sätta en filtertypväljarswitch på frontpanelen.
>> >>
>> >> Det är nog det lämpligaste. Men hur kommer själva kretskortet att utformas?
>>
>> Triangulärt. ;-)
>>
>> >> Kommer det att göras på ett sådant sätt att de som vill kan såga isär
>> >> kortet och sedan bygga varje filterkärna i separata moduler?
>>
>> Nej, det tycker iaf inte jag. Det är knappt nån idÈ. Själva
>> pudelkärnorna är inte så värst stora. Iofs _skulle_ man kunna göra det,
>> men... jag vet inte.
>>
>> Jag tänkte på en sak till:
>> Man kanske lika gärna skulle låta de parallella filtertyperna köra
>> samtidigt? I så fall kan man få ständigt tillgängliga utsignaler från
>> både Moog- EMS- och TB-303-filtret. Med flera olika responser dessutom.
>>
>> Enda nackdelen är att man måste ha separat (och därmed spänningsstyrd)
>> resonanstjofräs för de olika typerna. Men spänningsstyrd resonans har vi
>> antagligen redan på önskelistan, och resonanskonstruktionen kommer ändå
>> troligen att behöva se lite olika ut i de olika typerna, så det är
>> kanske knappt nån nackdel när allt kommer omkring.
>>
>> Börjar det bli för mycket nu? :)
Nja.... kopplar man upp dem i serie så får du ju ett 12-poligt filter, det
är ju "bara" 72 dB/Okt, vilket är i praktiken "brickwall" för örat.
Du kan köra dem parallelt också, men risken är hög att de summor du tar drar
åt brickwall också.
However, vad gjorde Boban i senaste synthen? Jo, han körde två filter
just parallelt och hade en mixpot. Det gav tydligen en hel del godis. Jag tror
större delen av den diskutionen gick på AH eller Synth-DIY. J¸rgen testade
visst ;O)
MVH
Magnus
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Message Number: 15
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:03:23 +0200
From: "mr.analogue.org"
Subject: Re: Modularfilosofi=?ISO-8859-1?Q?_=E0?= la rsf
On Mon, 30 Sep 2002, erik.forsling.brevet.nu wrote:
>> >>http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/farbrorsynt/images/expIIb.jpg
>>
>> RSF's expander II är ju en riktigt söt liten sak. Full av intelligenta
>> brytjacksfunktioner. Föredömligt!
Verkligen! Bra jobbat, heja RSF.
>> Och dess Voltage Processor längst upp till
>> vänster var ju en funktionsspäckad liten sak: invertering, offset,
>> logaritmering, lag, mixer osv. Sånt vill man ha... är första tanken. Å andra
>> sidan blir väl många funktioner över, oanvända alltså. Är det då bättre att
>> dela upp såna här saker i flera separata steg? Ack, detta ständiga dilemma!
Det är så allerstädes närvarande att man nästan skulle kunna skriva en
liten visa om det. :)
Jag skulle nog bryta isär det lite mer och sätta ihop dem med brytjack.
Ibland kanske det t o m inte är uppenbart vilken modul man skulle sätta
först och sist? Tänk er tanken att man kopplade ihop 2-3 moduler i en loop
med brytjack. Det kommer att bli en levande livsfarlig rundgångspatch
ända tills man kopplar in nåt annat där! Tragiskt nog så kanske man
aldrig skulle kunna höra på den... ;)
>> Funktionsspäckning är ju kittlande för kreativiteten, och sparar nog några
>> jack och så, men...
Men men.
Man får helt enkelt klona sig och tillverka två gigantiska modularer:
En med komplexa moduler helt utan brytjack, och en med motsatsen.
Sen får man anlita SCB, SKOP m fl som får titta på en (och en, dvs två)
när man (och man, dvs... homo?!?) står och patchar sina ljud på sina
modularer. Sen kan de baserat på priset för patchjack, potar, kablar etc
sammanställa ett svar som säger exakt till vilken grad det är ekonomiskt
försvarbart att just den här personen... (som nu iofs är två, men ändå...)
bygger in brytjack i sin modular.
Sen är det bara att bygga! ;-)
>> En annan fundering: Varför har man gain på insignalerna till en
>> ringmodulator? Är inte det samma sak som att ha EN gain på utgången?
>> Eller...?
Jo, men alla kanske inte är alla fransmän (gitarrister är t ex ett
opålitligt släkte) som ställt in sina instrument efter standardvolten i
Paris.
/mr - såg f ö rikskilot på TV häromdan
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Message Number: 16
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:07:18 +0200
From: "mr.analogue.org"
Subject: Re: Presentation
On Mon, 30 Sep 2002, kalle.kfib.org wrote:
>> Hur funkar gränsdragningen mellan olika SAS-delar förresten? Jag bor ju
>> i Linköping, liksom några till SAS:are (även Moxie tidigare även om han
>> gått och blivit utlänning i skåne :), och borde väl då höra till
>> SAS-Stockholm. Men jag är ju göteborgare i själ och hjärta - är jag då
>> SAS-Göteborg:are egentligen?
>> *förvirrad nykomling*
Klart om korgspad att ingen kan tvätta bort att du är SAS-Gbg:are,
Kalle! Så länge du har Lever. (som Tom Oberheim sa)
/mr
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Message Number: 17
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:09:42 +0200
From: "patrick.fridh.telia.com"
Subject: Pappersexercis del 1
För ett par veckor sedan så var det någon som undrade om en bra bok med
beskrivningar av diverse kul musik-elektronikexperiment. Eller nå't sån't.
Nåväl, jag hittade den här i en av mina lådor:
ELECTRONIC PROJECTS FOR MUSICIANS by Craig Anderton.
Köpte den i nå't utslag av "nu ska jag lära mig", men det blev förstås inte
av. Har bara bläddrat igenom den, och den är klart gedigen. En CD med
exempel på läten framställda med byggsatserna* ingår.
ISBN 0-8256-9502-3.
Tyvärr var den dyr, så jag tror jag måste begära åtminstone 250:- inklusive
frakt. Texten är på tocken där amerikanskiska.
Mvh / Patrick (svara privat om det inte är av allmänintresse).
* Ex: Preamp, metronom, hörlursförstärkare, miniförstärkare, olika
fuzzboxar, kompressor / limiter, ringmodulator, filter, diskantförstärkare,
mixer med 8 in - 1 ut, talkbox, noisegate, mm.
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Message Number: 18
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:14:00 +0200
From: "kalle.kfib.org"
Subject: Re: Presentation
"mr.analogue.org" wrote:
>>
>> Klart om korgspad att ingen kan tvätta bort att du är SAS-Gbg:are,
>> Kalle! Så länge du har Lever. (som Tom Oberheim sa)
>>
Ok, jag är nog lite av båda delar antar jag.
Hmmm...undrar hur Korgspad skulle bli? Eller Yamahasoppa? Rolandsås?
/Kalle
--
Karl-Fredrik Blixt Hagholm
Computer Science Engineer
Homepage: http://www-und.ida.liu.se/~karbl058
Telephone: +46-(0)13-17 99 29
Cellular: +46-(0)739-87 11 03
UIN: 4744258
"Consider the situation. There you are, forehead like a set of
balconies, worrying about the long-term effects of all this new 'fire'
stuff on the environment, you're being chased and eaten by most of the
planet's large animals, and suddenly tiny versions of one of the worst
of them wanders into the cave and starts to purr."
-- Why humans like cats (Terry Pratchett, The Unadulterated Cat)
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Message Number: 19
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:21:37 +0200
From: "jesper.bolina.hsb.se"
Subject: Re: Presentation
>> Hmmm...undrar hur Korgspad skulle bli? Eller Yamahasoppa? Rolandsås?
Korgpad måste det ju vara, trigga ett härlig MS-20-ljud från trumsetet! ;)
electronically yours, jesper
http://www.bolina.hsb.se/hsidor/jesper
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Message Number: 20
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:39:48 +0200
From: "cfmd.swipnet.se"
Subject: Re: Presentation
From: "kalle.kfib.org"
Subject: Re: Presentation
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:51:48 +0200
>> Magnus Danielson wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Så SAS-definitionen av Stor-Stockholm är
>> >> _något_ vidare än gängse definition.
>> >>
>> Misstänkte nåt sånt. :)
>>
>> >> Blev det bättre nu?
>> >>
>> Ja. Tack.
Men det har inte hindrat att jag suttit på StorStockholms-SAS favohack med
ett stycke Göteborgare i form av Mattias och ett stycke Sundsvallsbo i form av
listmeister Per. Inga andra "Stockholmare" dök ju upp!
Läckaget mellan avdelningarna är oomtvistat gott. Jag och flera andra har
besökt Göteborg-gänget bland annat.
TM-404 rules!
Nä, i slutändan spelar det ingen roll vilket upptagningsområde för si eller så
informel sektionsdel man tillhör. Mer väsentligt är att man är go å gla SASare!
MVH
Magnus
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Message Number: 21
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 16:33:36 +0200
From: "steiseim.online.no"
Subject: Re: Pappersexercis del 1
Hej!
Kunne tenkt meg den boken
Stein
----- Original Message -----
From:
To: "Multiple recipients of SAS"
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 3:09 PM
Subject: Pappersexercis del 1
>> För ett par veckor sedan så var det någon som undrade om en bra bok med
>> beskrivningar av diverse kul musik-elektronikexperiment. Eller nå't sån't.
>> Nåväl, jag hittade den här i en av mina lådor:
>>
>> ELECTRONIC PROJECTS FOR MUSICIANS by Craig Anderton.
>>
>> Köpte den i nå't utslag av "nu ska jag lära mig", men det blev förstås
inte
>> av. Har bara bläddrat igenom den, och den är klart gedigen. En CD med
>> exempel på läten framställda med byggsatserna* ingår.
>>
>> ISBN 0-8256-9502-3.
>>
>> Tyvärr var den dyr, så jag tror jag måste begära åtminstone 250:-
inklusive
>> frakt. Texten är på tocken där amerikanskiska.
>>
>> Mvh / Patrick (svara privat om det inte är av allmänintresse).
>>
>>
>> * Ex: Preamp, metronom, hörlursförstärkare, miniförstärkare, olika
>> fuzzboxar, kompressor / limiter, ringmodulator, filter,
diskantförstärkare,
>> mixer med 8 in - 1 ut, talkbox, noisegate, mm.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Message Number: 22
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 18:07:24 +0200
From: "par.sandberg.yahoo.com"
Subject: par.sandberg, have you seen this?
All our mailings are sent complying to the proposed H.R. 3113 Unsolicited
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PARENTS OF 15 - YEAR OLD - FIND $71,000 CASH HIDDEN IN HIS CLOSET!
Does this headline look familiar? Of course it does. You most likely have just
seen this story recently featured on a major nightly news program (USA). And
reported elsewhere in the world (including my neck of the woods ñ New Zealand).
His mother was cleaning and putting laundry away when she came across a large
brown paper bag that was suspiciously buried beneath some clothes and a
skateboard in the back of her 15-year-old sons closet. Nothing could have
prepared her for the shock she got when she opened the bag and found it was full
of cash. Five-dollar bills, twenties, fifties and hundreds - all neatly
rubber-banded in labelled piles.
"My first thought was that he had robbed a bank", says the 41-year-old woman,
"There was over $71,000 dollars in that bag -- that's more than my husband earns
in a year".
The woman immediately called her husband at the car-dealership where he worked to
tell him what she had discovered.He came home right away and they drove together
to the boys school and picked him up. Little did they suspect that where the
money came from was more shocking than actually finding it in the closet.
As it turns out, the boy had been sending out, via E-mail, a type of "Report" to
E-mail addresses that he obtained off the Internet. Everyday after school for the
past 2 months, he had been doing this right on his computer in his bedroom.
"I just got the E-mail one day and I figured what the heck, I put my name on it
like the instructions said and I started sending it out", says the clever
15-year-old.
The E-mail letter listed 5 addresses and contained instructions to send one $5
dollar bill to each person on the list, then delete the address at the top and
move the others addresses Down , and finally to add your name to the top of the
list.
The letter goes on to state that you would receive several thousand dollars in
five-dollar bills within 2 weeks if you sent out the letter with your name at the
top of the 5-address list. "I get junk E-mail all the time, and really did not
think it was going to work", the boy continues.
Within the first few days of sending out the E-mail, the Post Office Box that his
parents had gotten him for his video-game magazine subscriptions began to fill up
with not magazines, but envelopes containing $5 bills.
"About a week later I rode [my bike] down to the post office and my box had 1
magazine and about 300 envelops stuffed in it. There was also a yellow slip that
said I had to go up to the [post office] counter.
I thought I was in trouble or something (laughs)". He goes on, "I went up to the
counter and they had a whole box of more mail for me. I had to ride back home and
empty out my backpack because I could not carry it all".
Over the next few weeks, the boy continued sending out the E-mail."The money just
kept coming in and I just kept sorting it and stashing it in the closet, barely
had time for my homework".He had also been riding his bike to several of the
banks in his area and exchanging the $5 bills for twenties, fifties and hundreds.
"I didn't want the banks to get suspicious so I kept riding to different banks
with like five thousand at a time in my backpack. I would usually tell the lady
at the bank counter that my dad had sent me in to exchange the money] and he was
outside waiting for me.One time the lady gave me a really strange look and told
me that she would not be able to do it for me and my dad would have to come in
and do it, but I just rode to the next bank down the street (laughs)."
Surprisingly, the boy did not have any reason to be afraid.The reporting news
team examined and investigated the so-called "chain-letter" the boy was sending
out and found that it was not a chain-letter at all.In fact, it was completely
legal according to US Postal and Lottery Laws, Title 18, Section 1302 and 1341,
or Title 18, Section 3005 in the US code, also in the code of federal
regulations, Volume 16, Sections 255 and 436, which state a product or service
must be exchanged for money received.
Every five-dollar bill that he received contained a little note that read,
"Please send me report number XYX".This simple note made the letter legal because
he was exchanging a service (A Report on how-to) for a five-dollar fee.
[This is the end of the media release. If you would like to understand how the
system works and get your $71,000 ñ please continue reading. What appears below
is what the 15 year old was sending out on the net - YOU CAN USE IT TOO - just
follow the simple instructions].
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
BE FINANCIALLY FREE LIKE OTHERS WITHIN A YEAR!!! Before you say "Bull", please
read the following. This is the letter you have been hearing about on the news
lately. Due to the popularity of this letter on the Internet, a national weekly
news program recently devoted an entire show to the investigation of this program
described below, to see if it really can make people money. The show also
investigated whether or not the program was legal. Their findings proved once
and for all that there are "absolutely NO Laws prohibiting the participation in
the program and if people can follow the simple instructions, they are bound to
make some megabucks with only $25 out of pocket cost".
DUE TO THE RECENT INCREASE OF POPULARITY & RESPECT THIS PROGRAM HAS ATTAINED, IT
IS CURRENTLY WORKING BETTER THAN EVER.
NOTE* follow the directons below, I hade best results the second time when I
hired a bulk email service in addition to following the reports instructions. I
have been asked many times to recommend whom to use. However, after using one
particular company many, many times and had absolutely no problems with them. I
took it upon myself to discuss the possibility of a discount offer. They will
send 1 million email offers for $250 or 5 million for $1000.. Remember this is
recommended not Required. In order for all of us to be successful, many, many
emails must be sent so that the returns are many. I have been extremely
successful using the this company. They send out the offers, and all I do is
accept money for reports, then I send back to the people as soon as possible
This is what one had to say: "Thanks to this profitable opportunity. I was
approached many times before but each time I passed on it. I am so glad I
finally joined just to see what one could expect in return for the minimal
effort and money required. To my astonishment, I received total $610,470.00 in
21 weeks, with money still coming in".
Pam Hedland, Fort Lee, New Jersey.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Here is another testimonial: "This program has been around for a long time but I
never believed in it. But one day when I received this again in the mail I
decided to gamble my $25 on it. I followed the simple instructions and walaa ....
3 weeks later the money started to come in. First month I only made $240.00 but
the next 2 months after that I made a total of $290,000.00. So far, in the past 8
months by re- entering the program, I have made over $710,000.00 and I am playing
it again. The key to success in this program is to follow the simple steps and
NOT change anything."
More testimonials later but first,
+++ PRINT THIS NOW FOR YOUR FUTURE REFERENCE +++
+++ Order all 5 reports shown on the list below +++
For each report, send $5 CASH, THE NAME & NUMBER OF THE REPORT YOU ARE ORDERING
and YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS to the person whose name appears ON THAT LIST next to the
report.
MAKE SURE YOUR RETURN ADDRESS IS ON YOUR ENVELOPE TOP LEFT CORNER in case of any
mail problems.
When you place your order, make sure you order each of the 5 reports. You will
need all 5 reports so that you can save them on your computer. Within a few days
you will receive, vie e-mail, each of the 5 reports from these 5 different
individuals. Save them on your computer so they will be accessible for you to
send to the 1,000's of people who will order them from you. Also make a floppy of
these reports and keep it on your desk in case something happens to your
computer.
IMPORTANT - DO NOT alter the names of the people who are listed next to each
report, or their sequence on the list, in any way other than what is instructed
below in step "1 through 6" or you will loose out on majority of your profits.
Once you understand the way this works, you will also see how it does not work
if you change it. Remember, this method has been tested, and if you alter, it
will NOT work!!! People have tried to put their friends/relatives names on all
five thinking they could get all the money. But it does not work this way.
Believe us, we all have tried to be greedy and then nothing happened. So Do Not
try to change anything other than what is instructed. Because if you do, it will
not work for you.
Remember, honesty reaps the reward!!!
1.... After you have ordered all 5 reports, take this advertisement and REMOVE
the name & address of the person in REPORT # 5. This person has made it through
the cycle and is no doubt counting their fortune.
2.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 4 down TO REPORT #5.
3.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 3 down TO REPORT #4.
4.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 2 down TO REPORT #3.
5.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 1 down TO REPORT #2
6.... Insert YOUR name & address in the REPORT # 1 Position.
PLEASE MAKE SURE you copy every name & address ACCURATELY!
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
**** Take this entire letter, with the modified list of names, and save it on
your computer. DO NOT MAKE ANY OTHER CHANGES. Save this on a disk as well just in
case if you loose any data. To assist you with marketing your business on the
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information which includes how to send bulk e-mails legally, where to find
thousands of free classified ads and much more. There are 2 Primary methods to
get this venture going:
METHOD #1: BY SENDING BULK E-MAIL LEGALLY
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Let's say that you decide to start small, just to see how it goes, and we will
assume You and those involved send out only 5,000e-mails each. Let's also assume
that the mailing receive only a 0.2% response (the response could be much better
but lets just say it is only 0.2%. Also many people will send out hundreds of
thousands e-mails instead of only 5,000 each). Continuing with this example, you
send out only 5,000 e-mails. With a 0.2% response, that is only 10 orders for
report # 1.
Those 10 people responded by sending out 5,000 e-mail each for a total of 50,000.
Out of those 50,000 e-mails only 0.2% responded with orders. That equals 100
people responded and ordered Report # 2.
Those 100 people mail out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 500,000 e-mails. The
0.2% response to that is 1000 orders for Report #3.
Those 1000 people send out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 5 million e-mails
sent out. The 0.2% response to that is 10,000 orders for Report #4.
Those 10,000 people send out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 50,000,000 (50
million) e-mails. The 0.2% response to that is 100,000 orders for Report #5.
THAT'S 100,000 ORDERS TIMES $5 EACH=$500,000.00 (half million).
Your total income in this example is: 1..... $50 +2..... $500 + 3.....$5,000 +
4..... $50,000 + 5..... $500,000........Grand Total=$555,550.00
NUMBERS DO NOT LIE. GET A PENCIL & PAPER AND FIGURE OUT THE WORST POSSIBLE
RESPONSES AND NO MATTER HOW YOU CALCULATE IT, YOU WILL STILL MAKE A LOT OF MONEY!
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING ONLY 10 PEOPLE ORDERING OUT OF 5,000 YOU MAILED
TO. Dare to think for a moment what would happen if everyone or half or even one
4th of those people mailed 100,000e-mails each or more? There are over 150
million people on the Internet worldwide and counting. Believe me, many people
will do just that, and more!
METHOD #2: BY PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNET
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Advertising on the net is very very inexpensive and there are hundreds of FREE
places to advertise. Placing a lot of free ads on the Internet will easily get a
larger response. We strongly suggest you start with Method #1 and add METHOD #2
as you go along. For every $5 you receive, all you must do is e-mail them the
Report they ordered. That's it. Always provide same day service on all orders.
This will guarantee that the e-mail they send out with your name and address on
it, will be prompt because they can not advertise until they receive the report.
++++++++++++++ AVAILABLE REPORTS +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
ORDER EACH REPORT BY ITS NUMBER & NAME ONLY. Notes: Always send $5 cash (U.S.
CURRENCY) for each Report. Checks NOT accepted. Make sure the cash is concealed
by wrapping it in at least 2 sheets of paper or aluminum foil. On one of those
sheets of paper, Write the NUMBER & the NAME of the Report you are ordering, YOUR
E-MAIL ADDRESS and your name and postal address.
PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THESE REPORTS NOW:
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
REPORT #1: The Insider's Guide to Advertising for Free on the Net
Order Report #1 from:
C. Bernerd
P.O. Box 242
New Freedom, PA 17349
__________________________________________________________
REPORT #2: The Insider's Guide to Sending Bulk e-mail on the Net
Order Report #2 from:
Mike W.
P.O. Box 161
Freeland, MD 21053
__________________________________________________________
REPORT #3: Secret to Multilevel marketing on the Net
Order Report #3 from:
M. Eiseman
P.O. Box 451971
Sunrise, FL 33345-1971
__________________________________________________________
REPORT #4: How to become a millionaire utilizing MLM & the Net
Order Report #4 from:
R. Chernick
P.O. Box 771661
Coral Springs, FL 33077-1661
______________________________________________________
REPORT #5: How to send out 0ne Million emails for free
Order Report #5 From:
G.M. Boland
353 Jonestown Road
Suite 125
Winston Salem, NC 27104
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$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success:
If you do not receive at least 10 orders for Report #1 within 2 weeks, continue
sending e-mails until you do.
After you have received 10 orders, 2 to 3 weeks after that you should receive 100
orders or more for REPORT #2. If you did not, continue advertising or sending
e-mails until you do.
Once you have received 100 or more orders for Report #2, YOU CAN RELAX, because
the system is already working for you, and the cash will continue to roll in!
THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: Every time your name is moved down on the list,
you are placed in front of a Different report. You can KEEP TRACK of your
PROGRESS by watching which report people are ordering from you. IF YOU WANT TO
GENERATE MORE INCOME SEND ANOTHER BATCH OF E-MAILS AND START THE WHOLE PROCESS
AGAIN. There is NO LIMIT to the income you can
generate from this business!!!
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
FOLLOWING IS A NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM: You have just received
information that can give you financial freedom for the rest of your life, with
NO RISK and JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT. You can make more money in the next few
weeks and months than you have ever imagined. Follow the program EXACTLY AS
INSTRUCTED. Do Not change it in any way. It works exceedingly well as it is now.
Remember to e-mail a copy of this exciting report after you have put your name
and address in Report#1 and moved others to #2 thru #5 as instructed above. One
of the people you send this to may send out 100,000 or more e-mails and your
name will be on every one of them. Remember though, the more you send out the
more potential customers you will reach. So my friend, I have given you the
ideas, information, materials and opportunity to become financially independent.
IT IS UP TO YOU NOW!
++++++++++++++++++++++++ MORE TESTIMONIALS ++++++++++++++++++++
"My name is Mitchell. My wife, Jody and I live in Chicago. I am an accountant
with a major U.S. Corporation and I make pretty good money. When I received this
program I grumbled to Jody about receiving "junk mail". I made fun of the whole
thing, spouting my knowledge of the population and percentages involved. I "knew"
it wouldn't work. Jody totally ignored my supposed intelligence and few days
later she jumped in with both feet. I made merciless fun of her, and was ready to
lay the old "I told you so" on her when the thing didn't work. Well, the laugh
was on me! Within 3 weeks she had received 50 responses. Within the next 45 days
she had received total $ 147,200.00....all cash! I was shocked. I have joined
Jody in her "hobby".
Mitchell Wolf, Chicago, Illinois
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"Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind to
participate in this plan. But conservative that I am, I decided that the initial
investment was so little that there was just no way that I wouldn't get enough
orders to at least get my money back". "I was surprised when I found my medium
size post office box crammed with orders. I made $319,210.00 in the first 12
weeks. The nice thing about this deal is that it does not matter where people
live. There simply isn't a better investment with a faster return and so big".
Dan Sondstrom, Alberta, Canada
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"I had received this program before. I deleted it, but later I wondered if I
should have given it a try. Of course, I had no idea who to contact to get
another copy, so I had to wait until I was e-mailed again by someone else......11
months passed then it luckily came again...... I did not delete this one! I made
more than $490,000 on my first try and all the money came within 22 weeks".
Susan De Suza, New York, N.Y
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If you have any questions of the legality of this program, contact the Office of
Associate Director for Marketing Practices, Federal Trade Commission, Bureau of
Consumer Protection, Washington,D.C.
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